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The Jaguar I-Pace wins World Car of the Year, World Green Car awards
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Is anyone else mortified by the idea an electric car from Britain?
Or just those of us who have worked on the electrics of British cars?
Or just those of us who have worked on the electrics of British cars?
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Chemical Tribe
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I think you might be being a little harsh. British cars produced now are not the same as the ones in the 70s... They no longer use the stupid connector they did back in those days and the workers are not striking every 30 mins while leaving cars submerged in water baths... Then coming back to work and forgetting where they had left off and hence leaving parts out of the build...
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It's a fantastic car. A little faster than a Tesla X in the 0-60. But not quite as much range and certainly doesn't have the super charging network.
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Awesome!! I am SO STOKED about the coming wave of electric cars. Automated/robot cars will be really great for safety - and IMHO they will probably be mandatory some day - but, until then, I'm gonna get myself a sweet electric car and manually drive the living shit out of it... : ]
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The company is owned by Indians now (Tata) and is manufactured in Austria.
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Road legal old school offroading. Don't need big engines, just small size, lockers, and a bit of fun ensues. Think a modernized CJ (a lot like that Mahindra roxxor but more road oriented). So, a MX-5 for off road types.
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It is really past time for this trope to die. Tata Motors has been an excellent steward of the Jaguar brand. My 2013 XJL has been nothing but reliable, and of the handful of glitches I’ve encountered, none were electrical in nature.
My fervent hope is that the rumors are true and the replacement for the XJ will be a Tesla Model S-fighter.
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Jaguar I-Pace
MSRP: From $69,500
Range: 234 mi battery-only
Dimensions: 184″ L x 75″ W x 61″ H
MPGe: 80 city / 72 highway
Horsepower: 394 hp
That seems a little underpowered and lower range for the price.
I mean its priced around the same as a Tesla Model 3 AWD/LR dual non performance & that with taxes & doc fee etc etc & I'm assuming the above price does not include taxes or fees
Also did they fix the firmware issues on the jaguar ?. I believe that was one of the issues on the review models or maybe it was beta software.
From google/car * driver.
Stats for the performance version
Model: 2019 Tesla Model 3
MSRP: From $59,500
Curb weight: 4,072 lbs
Range: 310 mi battery-only
Battery: 350 V lithium-ion
Wheel size: 20″ diameter, 8.5″ width
MPGe: 120 city / 112 highway
I have the dual motor AWD/LR & the MPGe/range are dead on the mark at the daily 90% charge level.
I've driven mine close to 8000 miles now & the battery/range estimate is pretty good.
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I'm curious about this as we may buy another ev this year & are looking around to see whats out there and comparing it to the only ev we have at the moment.
MSRP: From $69,500
Range: 234 mi battery-only
Dimensions: 184″ L x 75″ W x 61″ H
MPGe: 80 city / 72 highway
Horsepower: 394 hp
That seems a little underpowered and lower range for the price.
I mean its priced around the same as a Tesla Model 3 AWD/LR dual non performance & that with taxes & doc fee etc etc & I'm assuming the above price does not include taxes or fees
Also did they fix the firmware issues on the jaguar ?. I believe that was one of the issues on the review models or maybe it was beta software.
From google/car * driver.
Stats for the performance version
Model: 2019 Tesla Model 3
MSRP: From $59,500
Curb weight: 4,072 lbs
Range: 310 mi battery-only
Battery: 350 V lithium-ion
Wheel size: 20″ diameter, 8.5″ width
MPGe: 120 city / 112 highway
I have the dual motor AWD/LR & the MPGe/range are dead on the mark at the daily 90% charge level.
I've driven mine close to 8000 miles now & the battery/range estimate is pretty good.
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I'm curious about this as we may buy another ev this year & are looking around to see whats out there and comparing it to the only ev we have at the moment.
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The I-Pace is not quicker to 60mph than the X performance.
It also does not have an option for the 3rd row seat. The Ipace is really more of sedan crossover.
Edit: Probably a better comparison would be to the Model 3.
It is worth noting that the Ipace is actually a little shorter than the model 3, and over a foot shorter than the X.
The point being the X and Ipace aren't really the same class/size.
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scooternva
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Jonathan, I get the impression you didn’t actually vote for the i-PACE. If I’m not mistaken, would you care to reveal your vote? (My guess is the Volvo wagon.)
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scooternva
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Don’t just stop there—please, enlighten us on what is tickling your funny bone.
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We had to score each car on a whole range of attributes, each from 1-10. I'm not surprised the I-Pace won, because I know I scored it higher for its environmental impact than the S60/V60 and it has better performance than the Volvos and the e-tron. But I don't think I saved a copy of my votes as it's all done online.
I think the voting format makes it hard to game. Last year I desperately wanted the Giulia to win but I bet if you looked at those votes you'd see I scored the CX-5, Velar, and XC60 (the winner) higher because they were great all-rounders.
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It kind of makes sense, with the Jaguar you're paying for the badge and the luxury fittings. Though personally I would never consider it over the Model 3.
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Those Volvos look better than any of the other entrants.
The Jaguar i-Pace looks very... disproportionate, with a short hood and oversize tires. If anything, it looks like an oversized Subaru Crosstrek.
The Jaguar i-Pace looks very... disproportionate, with a short hood and oversize tires. If anything, it looks like an oversized Subaru Crosstrek.
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scooternva
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Strongly disagree. Once the initial boy racer phase has worn off, you still have to sit inside your multi-thousand-dollar toy for many more years of lease or finance payments. I for one want my throne room to look and feel luxurious and well-appointed.
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Well it is one of the least efficient electric vehicles out there (only marginally better than the absolute least efficient). No idea how Jaguar managed to use that much energy to move a BEV.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSe ... &tabView=0
For its price it is rather small, low charging speed, and limited range. It is also sold in token numbers. The interior does look nice IMHO although it seems a stretch to go from that to "green car of the year".
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As other posters have pointed out, the I-Pace isn't really the same kind of car as the Tesla 3. It's a BEV designed to be every bit as fun to drive as a Jaguar. I've driven all three of the Jaguar SUVs (E-Pace, F-Pace, and I-Pace), and the I-Pace is the most fun. While I've driven a Model S (P90), and the I-Pace beats it on handling, feel, interior, and fun, I haven't been behind the wheel of the Tesla 3. But they're different cars for different audiences, and there's enough room for both of them in the market.
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The i-Pace has buttons.
Seriously though, it's a different size and form factor. With the hatchback style of the i-Pace, the storage options are arguably more versatile, and the options on both vehicles are quite a bit different. The Jag's interior is also better, in my opinion, but that's much more subjective.
I think that the i-Pace is/will be more comparable to the Model Y.
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To each their own. Every time I punch it from a red light, I still get a little thrill from my model3. Don't think that will ever wear off. But this is why I'm glad for the Europeans coming out with BEVs. Everyone is looking for something different in their experience.
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The Model 3 is a fun car to drive. It has been tearing up preconceptions on the track. The idea that Tesla is a one trick pony which can only go fast in a straight line is just outdated at this point.
https://electrek.co/2018/12/12/tesla-mo ... ev-record/
Roger's run in the Model 3 Performance is the current BEV track record holder at laguna seca.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3 ... cuit-test/
Tesla hired Randy Pobst to help them tune the track mode for Model 3. Still "derp derp Tesla only goes fast in straight line" dies hard.
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Drive a model 3 in "standard"/sport mode...
Make sure its a dual motor long range performance or non-perf......
You will really enjoy it. The model S feels like a tank
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A friend (who's a scuba instructor, so a much more hardcore human than I am) just took order of a blue one and I got to drive it around a bit. Totally useless for an urbanite like myself. Way too bouncy, rather exhausting to drive, and requires a considerable amount of shifting due to the anemic engine. Probably even worse your commute involves long highway runs, thanks to the wind noise and engine drone.
Thing is, I still want one. It just feels so proper in so many ways. Helps that it's also one of the best looking cars on the road. Perfectly proportioned - small enough to make most multi-storey building carpark ramps a breeze to get in and out of, and tall enough that you never worry about undulations on the tropical rainstorm battered roads of my city.
If I didn't have a better half to compromise for, I'd be seriously considering one right now, despite the shortcomings. Heck, I suspect that if I were still single, my garage for this upcoming year would be an all-Suzuki affair; this new Jimny and the new Katana.
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Maybe I'm being a little bitter as I can't afford this new Jaguar, but IMHO a car's environmental impact should factor in it's price as that will determine how many people will actually be replacing their fossil fuel burning vehicle with one. I don't think a $70,000 car is going to be purchased by a lot of people.
Still, it's encouraging to see more electric cars entering the market.
Still, it's encouraging to see more electric cars entering the market.
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Too bad sales have been terrible because ultimately nobody actually likes the car for the price. Stated vs revealed preferences.
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I had a brief moment of confusion with the combination of very British-looking road sign and rather un-British-looking landscape and place names in the first photo.
It turns out that Portuguese road signs use the same typeface, and a very similar style, as British ones.
It turns out that Portuguese road signs use the same typeface, and a very similar style, as British ones.
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Yes. Everyone except Tesla and GM is.
On edit: GM is down to $3,750 as well. Thanks for the correction.
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Any EV with high range claims will end up with that look, thanks to the space needed between front and rear axles to house the batteries.
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So the nominees for the green car award are a petrol and pretty much the two least efficient electric cars ever tested. In the same year Nissan launched the first truly long-range Leaf and the Koreans presented an entire portfolio of somewhat affordable, well-designed cars.
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Slight correction. I believe GM as of April 1st is also at $3750.
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Yeah show how much the "green car of the year" award cares about green. I mean the new long range Nissan Leaf is essentially a new vehicle. If Nissan had released it under a new model name it would qualify but since they didn't it doesn't?
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