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That's why you keep multiple saves, man. Get the "good" route along with the "bad".
Yep, fuck it, I'm weak. I've downloaded that save file and now I'm doing both routes. And yeh, the good route is 5 billion times better. Still sad how it plays out but at least I don't feel like such a shithole about it.

Also, I had actually missed a lot of beach content because I didn't have some of the girls lust points high enough.
 

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P.S. Selebus, if you really want me to not share this info and start just telling people about the cheat code, I'll do that.
*Intense copying noises*
 

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I'm not going to say that this is completely okay but there is no points that easily says that sex with Ami is bad. Somebody said that she needs to be sent to psychologist but in reality statistics says that only 10% of people with mental problems are going to specialist. You can't blame MC for not being ideal to Ami. But if we had some obviously bad moves from him then everything from happy scenes will really hit the spot
In terms of videogame logic, you're right. There are absolutely no points that say that having sex with Ami is the wrong choice or something bad to do. But that's kind of the point. Both us and Sensei see decisions in these games as only having short term minor consequences which can easily, or semi-easily, be undone while mostly being motivated by our libidos and/or desire to see more of the story/characters. However, a common theme in denpa games like this is to apply real world logic to the decisions made in them and treating the characters as if they're real people to show how messed up using that videogame logic can be.
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Tfw no one's realized there's a homie cheat code yet
I only like being a dirty cheater once I finish a game; unless there's a real good reason for doing so, but with the way that things have consequences in this game, I'll hold off.

Though, I'd find it hilarious if using the cheat codes gets mentioned by Molly breaking the 4th wall.

Yep, fuck it, I'm weak. I've downloaded that save file and now I'm doing both routes. And yeh, the good route is 5 billion times better. Still sad how it plays out but at least I don't feel like such a shithole about it.

Also, I had actually missed a lot of beach content because I didn't have some of the girls lust points high enough.
After experiencing the pain of breaking Rin's heart
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, I switched to keeping multiple saves.
 

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I only like being a dirty cheater once I finish a game; unless there's a real good reason for doing so, but with the way that things have consequences in this game, I'll hold off.

Though, I'd find it hilarious if using the cheat codes gets mentioned by Molly breaking the 4th wall.



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, I switched to keeping multiple saves.
You can still call her over, just need to wait until chika has done the heart breaking and play no part in it .
 
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I just wanted to say that it is wrong to blindly shame incest without context.
If we're applying real world logic there is pretty much only 1 context that makes it "okay".

But I would echo Ankoku on this point, and it was the point I was trying to make by saying that Sensei is a predator; a logic much closer to the real world is being applied to the moral choices made by Sensei here than in your usual game.

The very fact that there are multiple posts now by people who were bad homies and regret it shows us that there are consequences for being a shitty person in the game - and the game is defining shitty much more strictly than a lot of people are used to.

And while my specific links have not yet been shamed I'm all on board for getting the treatment! It's what I signed up for by playing a game that is interested in analysing motivation and morality (at all when compared to most).

I can't believe I am about to type this about a porn game but the fact that this game is making us question at all the actions we take defines it as art rather than just smut.
 

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I know in the save that Oblivion posted, I can't call Chika over because I missed out on Detention... I guess I'll need to start another save then.
Did you get the corrected one he posted on page 124? Specifically the one from this post:
i made a mistake in that save before selebus posted what i needed to avoid for the beach scene. that event is crossed out if you chose to not kiss chika in her earlier events.
i made a save correcting that but i guess i forgot to post it here, my bad.
here is the corrected save with chika events enabled, starts at the beginning of the beach events.
sorry for quoting you so much Oblivion. You're save is just so damn useful! More people need to like that comment. :p
if you've already done everything between your 2 saves and wanna consolidate to 1 save with everything done, I can post my save. You would just have to change the name everyone calls you on the computer then.
Huh, maybe I broke the game. I guarantee you, I am a good homie and I can still do the dirty with Chika nextdoor to my niece.
Nope. Your save is fine. I was showing that what you did was possible.
 
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Did you get the corrected one he posted on page 124? Specifically the one from this post:
I do have that one, just forgot that it was all the way on page 16... Welp, now I have 3 decent saves: a "Good homie" save, a "Bad homie" save, and a "Good homie that lies" save. Yin, Yang and Wuji.
 
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Don't know if Swift311 actually meant this, but I think his intention was to stop shaming the MC as this is all a game.

Personally, consensual incest scenes (especially with flat-chested girls!) are some of my favorite and I don't really consider that predator behavior as 1) Consensual 2) It's fiction 3) The characters are obviously anime.

Now, if this was real life, or even human actors/extremely realistic CG, bring the barf bag and send a physiologist over. That's disgusting and predatory. But since it's obviously anime, it's a major turn on:love:

So what if you deceive people in this game? So what if you rape people in this game? So what if you abuse your power? Nobody is gonna get hurt. It's all a game, all part of a world in which Selebus has 100% control over. It's all fiction.

And all we gotta do is separate fiction from reality.

But let me reiterate. Anything that goes in this game would be morally reprehensible in the 3rd dimension, in our reality.

It's just that the ethics and morals of the 3rd dimension holds no power over the 2nd dimension...
No kidding, in a game the characters are pixels and code and you can do whatever you want to them for any reason you want without hurting any real person. The only real thing is the player's thought process in justifying those acts, which is what's being broken down and mocked here.

I'm playing the game too, I'm making those same choices. I just enjoy that the game acknowledges that they're terrible choices that a terrible person would make and doesn't let the player hide behind rationalizations like these.

You don't have to explain or defend anything to me. Just relax and try to be happy.
 

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The act of incest itself generally leads to inbreeding, which can have some pretty bad effects on the children and, after witnessing such effects, the mother by extention. There are a few other reasons why incest is a taboo in every culture, but discounting that, there's still another reason Sensei sleeping with Ami is wrong.

The power dynamic between Sensei and Ami's relationship is too one sided for it to develop into a proper romantic relationship. This will likely result in a really unhealthy relationship down the line.

Finally, part of the reason she does all those things to Sensei is because she has some pretty major parental issues. Ami doesn't need to get laid. She needs professional help.

Don't get me wrong. This shit is hot AF and I have gotten off to it. But it's still good to keep context for why these things are generally looked down upon in real life. Consent isn't the issue here.

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In terms of videogame logic, you're right. There are absolutely no points that say that having sex with Ami is the wrong choice or something bad to do. But that's kind of the point. Both us and Sensei see decisions in these games as only having short term minor consequences which can easily, or semi-easily, be undone while mostly being motivated by our libidos and/or desire to see more of the story/characters. However, a common theme in denpa games like this is to apply real world logic to the decisions made in them and treating the characters as if they're real people to show how messed up using that videogame logic can be.
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Agreed, if there was no medical issue and no power dynamic, such as in the case of two adults, I would have no problem, but as it is, it does cause harm. However, there is no such issue in video games, including this one, so there is no problem. Selebus is doing extremely well in making us question the morality of our choices in LiL as any Denpa game developer should. This is one of the few games where I can't just shut off my emotions and morality because pixels, not humans, and it does make me want to take those pixels' feelings into consideration as well as the morality of my choices in game and the consequences for each choice. I will admit I am not taking my current play through seriously, but come v1.0, I will be doing so and it will most likely cause me to treat it as if these decisions and interactions were happening in real life. We all have Selebus to thank for that.

If we're applying real world logic there is pretty much only 1 context that makes it "okay".

But I would echo Ankoku on this point, and it was the point I was trying to make by saying that Sensei is a predator; a logic much closer to the real world is being applied to the moral choices made by Sensei here than in your usual game.

The very fact that there are multiple posts now by people who were bad homies and regret it shows us that there are consequences for being a shitty person in the game - and the game is defining shitty much more strictly than a lot of people are used to.

And while my specific links have not yet been shamed I'm all on board for getting the treatment! It's what I signed up for by playing a game that is interested in analysing motivation and morality (at all when compared to most).

I can't believe I am about to type this about a porn game but the fact that this game is making us question at all the actions we take defines it as art rather than just smut.
The writing alone makes this art, but I do agree with your point. I was one of those original bad homies and I did regret it, not because I missed out on a Rin event or two, though yes I felt bad for that, but because I hurt Rin herself, a feeling made much worse when she found out and told me off for it.
 

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Agreed, if there was no medical issue and no power dynamic, such as in the case of two adults, I would have no problem, but as it is, it does cause harm. However, there is no such issue in video games, including this one, so there is no problem. Selebus is doing extremely well in making us question the morality of our choices in LiL as any Denpa game developer should. This is one of the few games where I can't just shut off my emotions and morality because pixels, not humans, and it does make me want to take those pixels' feelings into consideration as well as the morality of my choices in game and the consequences for each choice. I will admit I am not taking my current play through seriously, but come v1.0, I will be doing so and it will most likely cause me to treat it as if these decisions and interactions were happening in real life. We all have Selebus to thank for that.


The writing alone makes this art, but I do agree with your point. I was one of those original bad homies and I did regret it, not because I missed out on a Rin event or two, though yes I felt bad for that, but because I hurt Rin herself, a feeling made much worse when she found out and told me off for it.
Most of us (I would hope) are in real life moral people. RPG developers often lament that an overwhelming majority of players always choose the good option, and it pisses them off that so few choose evil options despite having put the same amount of work into evil stories.

I feel uncomfortable making evil choices, even if it is for fictional pixel characters. I did the bad on Rin because I thought that was what the game expected me to do at that stage. Only later did I realise the fallout and regretted it immediately. But, given that we as a character are having multiple encounters with seemingly no consequences, it can be difficult to distinguish moral choices. We can't progress the story without cheating on everybody.
 

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Most of us (I would hope) are in real life moral people. RPG developers often lament that an overwhelming majority of players always choose the good option, and it pisses them off that so few choose evil options despite having put the same amount of work into evil stories.

I feel uncomfortable making evil choices, even if it is for fictional pixel characters. I did the bad on Rin because I thought that was what the game expected me to do at that stage. Only later did I realise the fallout and regretted it immediately. But, given that we as a character are having multiple encounters with seemingly no consequences, it can be difficult to distinguish moral choices. We can't progress the story without cheating on everybody.
I normally do not feel uncomfortable because of the logic that it is just a game. I do go for evil options when possible, but not this time. This time, in my case at least, the decision had already been made before the consequence was in the game. I had started fingering Chika and completed Schadenfeude before Rin finding out was even possible since the consequence came one build later than the trigger. If they had been added in the same build, I'm not so sure I could do that to Rin. I would probably intentionally skip until her feelings were no longer in danger without even realizing it was the proper choice all along just because it's what felt right. I normally enjoy multiple girls even if none know of the others, but I do feel bad for doing that in this game as well even though I am still pursuing it.
 

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So, I'm sitting here, playing my 'Wuji' save, and it hit me (which made me chuckle):

"How would you feel, when the teacher that you confide in, that's like an older brother to you, fingerblasts the girl you're attracted to?"

I'd kill the bastard if he told me.

Random thought of the day, don't mind me.
 
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