RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 18] [N_taii]

[bucefala]

Not true. Consistency is important in a story and many bad stories could have been good if the author had focused on presenting a consistent narrative. If your intent is to create an NTR focused story the second it crosses from NTR being the focus to revenge being the focus it stops being what you started out to create. If you want a revenge story then play or read one, but without a strong set up it's never going to be as satisfying as it could be. The HC games are about corruption, even the NTR is secondary to it. If you want just the revenge then play something else.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Ntr is at its core about despair, and despair brings in turn jealousy and hatred. Revenge is the most natural course of events, or at least, attempt at revenge. A revenge ending isnt a cool getback which ends with fireworks and applause (that would actually be unbeliavable and ruin the theme). The mc will still remain heavily scarred with permanent changes to the way he sees others, mainly women. He still cant fuck a woman, seduce a woman like the antagonist. His psyche will always bear marks of inferiority, no matter how badly he managed to hurt the antagonist and even the women that betrayed him.

Revenge endings wouldnt ruin anything, they just have to be executed well, like all endings. Revenge isnt a different genra from ntr, it's a possible branching point or follow up.

 

[Komdot]

People treat revenge in NTR like it's a crime or that it's not part of the genre, that's why out of every 10 ntr 9 end up as netorase but nobody speaks about it.

 

[Oriandu]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Ntr is at its core about despair, and despair brings in turn jealousy and hatred. Revenge is the most natural course of events, or at least, attempt at revenge. A revenge ending isnt a cool getback which ends with fireworks and applause (that would actually be unbeliavable and ruin the theme). The mc will still remain heavily scarred with permanent changes to the way he sees others, mainly women. He still cant fuck a woman, seduce a woman like the antagonist. His psyche will always bear marks of inferiority, no matter how badly he managed to hurt the antagonist and even the women that betrayed him.

Revenge endings wouldnt ruin anything, they just have to be executed well, like all endings. Revenge isnt a different genra from ntr, it's a possible branching point or follow up.

You realize that nothing you're saying in any way invalidates anything or is in any way contradictory to what I'm saying, yes? I'm not saying "herpderp rvnge shodnt happn", I'm saying "Revenge can and should happen, but there needs to be a reason for it first." If you focus the story on revenge then it's not NTR, it's just a revenge story. I'm suggesting not putting the cart before the horse.

I'll use an example... there's a Korean webcomic called "Not the daughter, but the mother." which starts off with a guy learning that his wife is cheating on him. He dies and gets isekaid back in time in his own life to around the time his wife started cheating on him. So what does he do? He takes revenge by fucking the coworker who revealed that his wife was cheating or would be shortly, and then he fucks his sister in law and mother in law. It's not an NTR story because even though his wife is cucking him he cucks back harder. If what you want is for HC3 to be revenge focused then you don't want HC3 to be HC3. I'm all for Leto having an option where he wins the day and takes his retribution out on Rose and the duke. The revenge endings are the only good endings for HC1 and 2. But as the core of the story? If revenge was the focus we'd have run out of plot 8 updates ago.

 

[Jeferss12]

I really like the HC saga, regardless of the endings, whether it's revenge, happy or netorare, the plot of the whole saga always shows how people end up making stupid decisions and falling into other people's games, the strong and proud girl is subjugated and degraded, the intelligent one is fooled, the mature one falls into childish games, etc.

But again, always seeing a character who is left without action until the end of the story (in this case the one who would be the main character) frustrates me a little XD, I'm not saying it's a bad thing because the author of the saga wanted it to be that way, he must have his reasons, but I'm saying it could be better.

 

[Oriandu]

I really like the HC saga, regardless of the endings, whether it's revenge, happy or netorare, the plot of the whole saga always shows how people end up making stupid decisions and falling into other people's games, the strong and proud girl is subjugated and degraded, the intelligent one is fooled, the mature one falls into childish games, etc.

But again, always seeing a character who is left without action until the end of the story (in this case the one who would be the main character) frustrates me a little XD, I'm not saying it's a bad thing because the author of the saga wanted it to be that way, he must have his reasons, but I'm saying it could be better.

You're supposed to be frustrated by it. If you're playing one of the HCs and thinking to yourself "Wow, Zeno sure is cool cucking his dead brother like that." then I think you might be missing the point. If the journey ends too quickly the destination won't be satisfying so being frustrated with the lack of Leto's involvement is perfectly natural.

 

[Jeferss12]

You're supposed to be frustrated by it. If you're playing one of the HCs and thinking to yourself "Wow, Zeno sure is cool cucking his dead brother like that." then I think you might be missing the point. If the journey ends too quickly the destination won't be satisfying so being frustrated with the lack of Leto's involvement is perfectly natural.

I never said it that way, and never in such an extreme way, I think you're being too extreme, the fact that the character through whom we are supposed to see most of the story (main character), has his own scenes here and there in the interlude of the story, does not mean that the story should end quickly.
But as I said before the author must have his reasons for doing it that way, we don't have to agree on everything that concerns the game, I respect what others likes and dislike.
And please, the man who killed your father is fucking your mother and the girl you like, and that person is also your uncle, it's not cool at all XD,
But life and history are full of these shitty events, which as I said, cannot be avoided because of the stupid decisions people make,
but that is precisely the reason why there is a story, that people and the decisions they make are not perfect, if they were there would be no story to tell.

 

[Oriandu]

I never said it that way, and never in such an extreme way, I think you're being too extreme, the fact that the character through whom we are supposed to see most of the story (main character), has his own scenes here and there in the interlude of the story, does not mean that the story should end quickly.
But as I said before the author must have his reasons for doing it that way, we don't have to agree on everything that concerns the game, I respect what others likes and dislike.
And please, the man who killed your father is fucking your mother and the girl you like, and that person is also your uncle, it's not cool at all XD,
But life and history are full of these shitty events, which as I said, cannot be avoided because of the stupid decisions people make,
but that is precisely the reason why there is a story, that people and the decisions they make are not perfect, if they were there would be no story to tell.

Nothing in my post was even a little bit extreme. I was simply saying that feeling a little bit of discomfort was perfectly natural.

-_-;

 

[Jeferss12]

Nothing in my post was even a little bit extreme. I was simply saying that feeling a little bit of discomfort was perfectly natural.

-_-;

oh ok, then I misinterpreted what you meant XD

 

[bucefala]

You realize that nothing you're saying in any way invalidates anything or is in any way contradictory to what I'm saying, yes? I'm not saying "herpderp rvnge shodnt happn", I'm saying "Revenge can and should happen, but there needs to be a reason for it first." If you focus the story on revenge then it's not NTR, it's just a revenge story. I'm suggesting not putting the cart before the horse.

I'll use an example... there's a Korean webcomic called "Not the daughter, but the mother." which starts off with a guy learning that his wife is cheating on him. He dies and gets isekaid back in time in his own life to around the time his wife started cheating on him. So what does he do? He takes revenge by fucking the coworker who revealed that his wife was cheating or would be shortly, and then he fucks his sister in law and mother in law. It's not an NTR story because even though his wife is cucking him he cucks back harder. If what you want is for HC3 to be revenge focused then you don't want HC3 to be HC3. I'm all for Leto having an option where he wins the day and takes his retribution out on Rose and the duke. The revenge endings are the only good endings for HC1 and 2. But as the core of the story? If revenge was the focus we'd have run out of plot 8 updates ago.

I didnt say cuck back harder, I said get revenge. Killing, imprisonement, etc. The mc is still fucked. He didnt get his getback by cucking the antogonist, which would probably help his self esteem, he did a work around, and whilst smart, the mc will always feel inferior deep down, will always feel hateful and toxic and bitter. In the end, nothing goes back to how it was. This kind of ending is in perfect line with the theme of these games, showing that even if you miraculously punish the evil doers, through a herculean effort, you still cant have what they have, and they still took a lot from you, permanently. It follows naturally, nothing needing to be changed except the last third of the story(but we havent even reached that so, nothing need to be changed).

I played Hc1 and 2 fully, only a little of HC3, but I saw that there were choices from the beggining in how Leto would view his circumstance. I think thats genious. It provides proper build up to his final decisions that determines the ending. Him slowly becoming bitter and hopeless, or faithfull and strong or a pushover.

 

[Jeferss12]

The truth is that I would like the author of the saga to explain what the logic is behind the probability of pregnancy in women, because shit really, they have to have some kind of contraceptive system to avoid getting pregnant, because with so many internal cumshots it is really incredible that the extra and main characters do not get pregnant until the point where the player is given the option to determine the ending.

XD

 

[Oriandu]

I didnt say cuck back harder, I said get revenge. Killing, imprisonement, etc. The mc is still fucked. He didnt get his getback by cucking the antogonist, which would probably help his self esteem, he did a work around, and whilst smart, the mc will always feel inferior deep down, will always feel hateful and toxic and bitter. In the end, nothing goes back to how it was. This kind of ending is in perfect line with the theme of these games, showing that even if you miraculously punish the evil doers, through a herculean effort, you still cant have what they have, and they still took a lot from you, permanently. It follows naturally, nothing needing to be changed except the last third of the story(but we havent even reached that so, nothing need to be changed).

I played Hc1 and 2 fully, only a little of HC3, but I saw that there were choices from the beggining in how Leto would view his circumstance. I think thats genious. It provides proper build up to his final decisions that determines the ending. Him slowly becoming bitter and hopeless, or faithfull and strong or a pushover.

Aaaand you're just being obtuse to be obtuse at this point. Is this what it feels like to argue with me? Because I feel like this is probably what that's like.

 

[Twyfor]

The truth is that I would like the author of the saga to explain what the logic is behind the probability of pregnancy in women, because shit really, they have to have some kind of contraceptive system to avoid getting pregnant, because with so many internal cumshots it is really incredible that the extra and main characters do not get pregnant until the point where the player is given the option to determine the ending.

So, are you saying they're plot holes?

 

[Jeferss12]

So, are you saying they're plot holes?

Well yes technically, in HC2 when Leto gets depressed, Celis and Leto's mother spend all that time having unprotected sex, and it's quite a long time, damn how the hell don't they get pregnant, if you can see that it's many days, weeks I would even dare to say, and you're going to tell me that they don't get pregnant after all that, that their wombs are intelligent and know that they have to wait until the MC makes the decision of the ending or what the hell, and something similar happens in HC1 it can't be appreciated in the same way as in HC2, because they don't show the same time transition.

 

[Matoga]

Second, Lily already has several free roams in which she is having sex with the magic shop owner. Two of which span two public locations across a single day indicating that they're already fucking anywhere and anytime. I believe that she also has one where she stays after work hours to fuck. That alone means that she's much further along than Rose and Cyanna were after losing their virginities. So while I don't disagree with you that Lily could be the next secondary character in line for more content, I would argue that she is definitely very close to Rose and Cyanna in terms of corruption.

I mean...fair enough, if N_Taii's intentions with the freeroams was to show us that Lily is just naturally that much more lewd compared to other girls where, after losing her virginity, she can immediately accept the fact that from now on she's going to be having sex with her boss whenever he feels like having sex, then sure, the freeroams do make sense...kinda, i still feel like they're too advanced for current Lily, both in quality and quantity, and it also kinda cheapens Lily's whole corruption for me a little bit if it's true, but at least there IS an explanation for them this way.

Personally, i think that the answer is infinitely more simple and it also proves what i initially said to be true (that Lily is not caught up at all), i think that the the only reason why we got this many freeroam events for Lily that are this advanced is because everybody else is already having sex wherever and whenever they possibly can, like for example how you mentioned that Rose has already got like 7 active freeroam events at the same time and 8 is the maximum anyone can have, meanwhile Lily had just gotten her very first sex scene ever at the end of her latest quest, and so i feel like N_Taii saw that and realised that he's not gonna make content for Lily anytime soon again, so he decided to add these freeroam events so that it's there for people to watch while he's working on the other storylines.

tl;dr: You're saying that the freeroam events have a narrative purpose and i'm saying that it's basically just fanservice so that people who wanna see more sex scenes with Lily don't have to wait until Update18 or possibly Update19 when she gets a new quest.

I'm just being annoying at this point but if i'm right and this was only so that people got more Lily content in-between quests, then i absolutely do believe that the 2 part freeroam event where in the morning Lily and Nezar are having sex in the Greenhouse, and then later that same day they're fucking in front of the Tavern inside that toilet, those freeroams should get pushed forward by an entire quest, and they should only unlock once the player plays through Update18 (assuming that Update18 is the next Lily Update).

 

[Matoga]

I mean...fair enough, if N_Taii's intentions with the freeroams was to show us that Lily is just naturally that much more lewd compared to other girls where, after losing her virginity, she can immediately accept the fact that from now on she's going to be having sex with her boss whenever he feels like having sex, then sure, the freeroams do make sense...kinda, i still feel like they're too advanced for current Lily, both in quality and quantity, and it also kinda cheapens Lily's whole corruption for me a little bit if it's true, but at least there IS an explanation for them this way.

Personally, i think that the answer is infinitely more simple and it also proves what i initially said to be true (that Lily is not caught up at all), i think that the the only reason why we got this many freeroam events for Lily that are this advanced is because everybody else is already having sex wherever and whenever they possibly can, like for example how you mentioned that Rose has already got like 7 active freeroam events at the same time and 8 is the maximum anyone can have, meanwhile Lily had just gotten her very first sex scene ever at the end of her latest quest, and so i feel like N_Taii saw that and realised that he's not gonna make content for Lily anytime soon again, so he decided to add these freeroam events so that it's there for people to watch while he's working on the other storylines.

tl;dr: You're saying that the freeroam events have a narrative purpose and i'm saying that it's basically just fanservice so that people who wanna see more sex scenes with Lily don't have to wait until Update18 or possibly Update19 when she gets a new quest.

I'm just being annoying at this point but if i'm right and this was only so that people got more Lily content in-between quests, then i absolutely do believe that the 2 part freeroam event where in the morning Lily and Nezar are having sex in the Greenhouse, and then later that same day they're fucking in front of the Tavern inside that toilet, those freeroams should get pushed forward by an entire quest, and they should only unlock once the player plays through Update18 (assuming that Update18 is the next Lily Update).

I lost the plot halfway through the second paragraph cause i was over at a friend's house earlier today, and to say that i'm tipsy is an understatement, but hopefully it's...decryptable.

 

[N_taii]

I lost the plot halfway through the second paragraph cause i was over at a friend's house earlier today, and to say that i'm tipsy is an understatement, but hopefully it's...decryptable.

I dunno where you lost that plot of yours, but I hope you find it back eventually!

 

[Matoga]

I dunno where you lost that plot of yours, but I hope you find it back eventually!

Unlikely, i'm writing a comment under today's PoL as we speak and there's no plot in sight.

 

[gordovalor]

tl;dr: You're saying that the freeroam events have a narrative purpose and i'm saying that it's basically just fanservice so that people who wanna see more sex scenes with Lily don't have to wait until Update18 or possibly Update19 when she gets a new quest.

I’m glad they’re not releasing updates for Lilly. I don’t like her character, and I skipped her last update. I would’ve preferred if it had just been Rose, Haylen, and Cyanna; I think it would’ve been better that way. N_taii wouldn’t have rushed the intimate scenes with the characters, and the corruption aspect would have been more of a slow burn.

 

[Jeferss12]

I’m glad they’re not releasing updates for Lilly. I don’t like her character, and I skipped her last update. I would’ve preferred if it had just been Rose, Haylen, and Cyanna; I think it would’ve been better that way. N_taii wouldn’t have rushed the intimate scenes with the characters, and the corruption aspect would have been more of a slow burn.

In my opinion, most of Lily's corruption took place in the mirror world. If you notice, she spends many days in the mirror world, during which everything is normal and she is with Leto, and then when the professor gives her the bear and twists the mirror world where Lily was, so at the moment in which she leaves the mirror world to return to the real world, her mental corruption was already much more advanced than any of the other girls.

so that part of the story is the plot branch that the author uses for Lily's corruption and not to make her corruption process so visibly long, that is to say, Lily went through her corruption process, it was a considerable time, it is not visibly appreciable, but it is logically and argumentatively and you can appreciate at what moment in the story it occurs, in that way the author can focus more on the corruption process of more relevant characters like Rose and Cyanna that do affect the main story branch more.

If someone asked me if Haylen has a process of corruption in the story, I would respectfully say no, or at least not at the same level as the other three girls, why? Because no one is threatening her or blackmailing her, maybe Jason is taking advantage of her kindness a little, and the fact that she is in love with someone whom she raised as her son, but she no longer sees him that way but as a man and being a woman who has been alone for so long, she can no longer contain that desire, of course Jason is not aware that he is taking advantage of that fact(I mean the fact that Haylen is in love with Leto and has intimate desires towards him). XD

 

[Mei Mei]

I'm sorry if that's rude to ask (or was asked a lot time before) but approximately when will the final release of the game happen?
I'm a very huge fan, your games are one of the best derivatives of good old NTRPG games formula and both HC and HC2 grasp that formula completely and are extremely good; moreover the fact that the game were actually completed and not stuck in forever Patreon hell, I have a very great respect to you as a dev because of that; so I had been hyping HC3 for a long time and just can't wait to play the finished game (especially in the current total drought of good NTR\voyeyur games).