VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

  1. 4.00 star(s)

    BigCosyStoryFan

    The story is strong with this one, even if it's not necessarily my bag. In terms of kinks and that kind of content, you'd only find more in a cheap garden hose.

    A non-spoiler attempt to describe the quality of the story is this: your world, with the focus on you (the MC), is built around a new job. Everyone of note is bound up in this world, and they all have their own stories. In each playthrough, you have to pick a route, based on how you want to play. This leads to a fairly rich story, which is really well done.

    However, the branching mechanic of the game is sometimes a little opaque, resulting in lockouts and a need to roleplay as a certain type of character fairly hard, with exposure to the game not necessarily being enough to work out what that needs to be. This may be something some people enjoy, but the current setup makes it feel like a guide is necessary (or a lot of effort being put into specific branching choices). The feeling of this being bad may clear up a bit as more content comes out, but the cliffhangers at the end of the updates mean that multiple replays can feel more tedious than rewarding. Hopefully this gets addressed by future updates, and clarification in later story arcs.
  2. 5.00 star(s)

    Rilevav

    This is good. The number of adult games with decent writing is extremely limited but this absolutely nails it. The story brings sex in regularly without it seeming forced or cross purpose with player agency but it's also got genuinely interesting stories behind it. This is definitely amongst the elite, and you absolutely should give it a go.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    am343353

    All I have to say is that the story by itself is good enough to carry it even if all of the sex was off screen which says a lot considering most of the games on this site are carried by the sex scenes.
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    rnoname

    Really phenomenal. The writing and animations shone in a way that made it easy to get hooked. I wish there had been more room for decisions throughout, but there are decisions to be made, just not as many as I'd like. But compared to some games where are 100% linear, this is just like...80%, probably?
  5. 3.00 star(s)

    Captain Kirk

    Might be the toughest game to review on this site.
    Why because expectation vs reality is a huge deal. I have heard how great this game is, did it live up to the hype for me? not really but it's hard to grade a adult vn on expectation.
    Listen I want to give this vn it's due praise.
    4/5 Story
    The Story is actually very unique in the vn community, your not running a brothel your working in one and you have to choice in how you treat the girls who work there. Some of the stories failings in my opinion I will point out in another section.
    5/5 Dialogue
    The writing in this game alone could carry it to a 5 out 5 rating. The writing of characters and dialogues feels so realistic it is shocking there's not 1 million gags thrown in. it just feels like what actual people would say in these scenarios.
    5/5 Animations and Girl Designs
    Yeah that ones easy, fantastic adult material as well as unique and hot looking girls.

    This is where i differ, listen i understand that this is my opinion and not everyone agrees but i think it should be brought up.

    2/5 Kinks
    There are a lot of kinks covered in this game with the most prevalent being humiliation, BDSM and voyeurism. none of these kinks are shit that are for me. So that makes me groan and dislike certain parts of this game that if you were into those kinks you might not understand. I think the forced non skippable content really hurts this game, no I don't want to see Victoria ingest disgusting shit while tied up. Yes I absolutely loathed the scene where a gigantic spider is put on Victoria, like damn that's fucked up.
    2/5 Player Agency
    See I think this is an important part of grading adult VN's. When I compare this VN to the other top VNs on the site this one comes up short. You do not run the brothel so how the women are treated by guests will not change no matter how you treat them. I personally don't get off to watching old men abuse and degrade women, so at least for me it sucks we can't change that. I also don't care if my mom was in a porn video or not but to have 50 flashbacks to it is kinda weird like I told you already I dont need to see it, stop showing me more than asking again.

    I wish the ratings could give a half of star because I would Love to give this a 3.5. But since I can't Ill stick with a 3. I defiantly understand why someone would give this a 5. If these are your kinks you will love this game, if not than I think you should still give it a play because some of the girls in question don't partake in that kinks. At least not yet.
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    mroczny

    Art and music aside - these are great.

    Writing is on another level, truly a masterpiece. Dialogue is thoughtful, linguistically rich and meaningful. Everything has its setup and payoff, no deus-ex-machina bullshit. There's also wisdom there, yet without in-your-face one-liners.
    This is a game for mature people who understand how the world works and yet don't forget how stupid they acted when they were 20.

    Read. Don't mindlessly skip even if the scene doesn't seem important or the dialogue seems trivial. Sex scenes are great, but there's more to characters than pump-action animations. If you can't take your time, don't waste your time. Just wait for when you're done with downloading everything and playing nothing - or nothing of significance.

    There are many mediocre or even good games around here with a pretence of greatness. This is not one of these. This one is unpretentiously magnificent.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    Meabe37

    I do not leave a review often, in fact it's the only one i'll probably ever do on f95. But this game my man, this game is the GOAT, the KING of all AVNs.

    That game it's gorgeous. The quality, the art and animations are outstanding.

    The writing is beyond fantastic whether it is the story, the dialogues, the characters or the sexy times, everything is up to the max. A true master class of adult gaming, of all gaming in fact.

    And it's flawless. Not a single mistake so far, i have absolutely nothing negative to say about the game, even if i try to be extremely nitpicky.

    Anyway must play, must support, no question asked.
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    Ralpvolvos

    the game is one of the best masterpiece in HS avn, i really want to see how the story unfold further and especially the endings. BUT with the current update cycle (oncer per year or less), i think i will just forget about this game and play it again when it already complete (maybe 4 years later, hopefully not that long).
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    moonpartially

    [Review of Ch.4 Up.5 Public - First playthrough]

    What a game, I don’t know where to start, I don’t feel 5/5 is enough.

    The first thing at impressed me the most is how well optimized the game is. I’m playing on a 10 yrs old Mac and most other game start to lag very fast, but not this one. Not a single lag, not a single bug, pure perfection.

    I’m mostly a very vanilla snowflake so I was initially reluctant to try to immerge myself in a story with such heavy topics but because the writing is so good and nuanced I had a blast.

    Visually Pale Carnations is top tier as well and the sound design & music of the game is also a masterclass.

    To concluded, this game does everything perfectly and it’s definitely a most play.

    Playtime : ~40/50hrs (with a lot of save/load to see others paths)
  10. 5.00 star(s)

    Draco-Drake

    This is the best AVN today without a doubt.
    Original story, content for all tastes, different routes, customizable MC, fun characters. .. If I had to summarize this game in a few words it would be "Pervertedly beautiful"
    I only have one wish and I hope the Dev reads it, please let the NTR continue to be avoidable... The way the story goes it seems that it will be inevitable the NTR with the Carnations, that's why I just hope that at least the Dev will let us choose who to save... Although being honest I would be happy with just a good ending with Mina, more Mina content!!!!
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    hairy_trump

    Probably the best this genre have to offer it effortlessely balance between dark and through it it shines the firece light that continues to shine in that total blackness. I have surely never seen a story like this, and I will surely not forget it anytime soon.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    mantissors

    I was blown away by this novel. The plot is cool, the characters are interesting, you form your own attitude towards each one. The h-scenes are gorgeously done, there is animation. It definitely deserves its 5 stars.

    Я был потрясен этим романом. Сюжет классный, персонажи интересные, к каждому из них формируешь свое отношение. H-сцены сделаны великолепно, есть анимация. Он определенно заслуживает своих 5 звезд.
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    ImmaculateDream

    I'm not usually super into games with this graphical style, but the characters and plotlines have won me over enough to still give it a 5 star rating. There's a lot of interesting moving parts here, and while not every single plotline is to my liking there are so many different things (albeit, MOST of them in the realm of maledom which is fine with me) that almost anyone can find something enjoyable I think.
  14. 2.00 star(s)

    vanime7

    The main character is a whingebag. I selected "prioritizes money" at the beginning of the game, and yet he keeps banging on about how unfair life is and how much he dislikes money lol. It's very silly that this guy is having women paying him to be an escort and is having multiple relationships with supermodels (which at least the game accepts in its dialogue but doesn't justify). He's a scrawny annoying dweeb sort of a guy, and the player's decisions don't alter him in any real way. The most that you can change him is on the evil path where he becomes a snitchy sort of teachers pet which is just a different flavour of an annoying dweeb.

    Much of the writing is very on the nose. Little is left to the reader's interpretation. This isn't solid writing; It's more like opining on a subject at great length with very little life experience, which is of course a turn off, but then at the end of said opine a supermodel bends over a table and says "do me" as if she's so turned on by this geeky looking kid and his logic of an angsty 13 year old. It's just sort of silly, but the game is taking it dead serious.
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    HeheHohoXoXo

    Great game, with an excelent script. All heroes feels real, have their own motivation. What i really like is how complex topics are discussed there and make you think about them. As for the sex, game has a lot of content, for any taste. Also all girls are different, so you can find someone for you. One of the best AVN out there without any doubts.
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    MoonShard55

    Very thought out game, for those that enjoy hard love its a must play.
    I just hope there will be a way to end up with 2 GFs at the end.
    Hana has a very cool character design, def my favorite for this game.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    JumboSalami

    Hands down one of the best AVNs available. Believable, engaging characters, a complex, provoking, challenging narrative, and stunning visuals combine to form a stellar experience a cut above the rest.
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    Hinelbgst

    storyline is good. could've been better if there's more depth for the characters and world building. seggs animations are super fluid, wishing other games can make examples of this kind of animation, kudos to dev! 9.3/10
  19. 5.00 star(s)

    Giddeon

    To the average person who thinks that AVNs cannot be an art form, Mutt & Jeff say: hold my beer. Pale Carnations is one of those rare games that the AVN world must carefully study.

    I will be reviewing the game on four main parameters: story and writing, art and animation, style and presentation, and sex scenes. At the time of this review, this game is at Ch. 4 Up. 5.

    Story and Writing (5/5)

    I have played a lot of AVNs in the past 6 years of my life. Many of these games were good, many were brilliant. The latter category has your usual characteristics: good art, masterfully crafted models, great animation, and of course, enticing, hot and kinky sexy. Many of them also featured great writing. But few had a gut-wrenching page turner of a story like Pale Carnations. I believe of all things, what sets this game apart from any other AVN created is its compelling characters, captivating settings, and intelligently crafted dialogue-writing.

    Pale Carnations is an exploration of the relationship between sex, power and morality. Each character in the VN is differently placed on the nexus of these three driving forces of human behaviour. Without going into spoiler territory, here is the rundown. We have in this world the agents of power: the Kathleens, Augusts, and Chucks of the world, who pursue their goals using the power that they have, often with a reckless abandon of any sense of morality. For Kathleen, sex (in her own perverted ways) is an end in itself. For August and Chuck, it is a mere mean, but to very different ends. Then you have the powerless subjects: the working girls, and to different extents, the Carnations. But the most interesting characters in the story are the likes of the MC, Hana, and Killian. They all command a certain amount of power, and are also subjects of it. With this unique position that they occupy, they are often faced with moral quandaries. Hana, ever the voice of reason in the game, finds the activities of the Carnation Club deeply repelling. But as we see along the story, she too has to compromise with her principles due to her position in the Club. Killian is the morally ambiguous sort. In some parts of the story, as the MC notes, he shows surprising amount of moral clarity, while in others he does reprehensible things with very little remorse. Then of course there is the MC, the blank slate, who will become whatever the player makes of him, within bounds of the writing. It is this world and story that really drags you into the VN. But what keeps you clicking is the wit and humour with which the writers have crafted the dialogues of this game. It really has the writing of an award-winning TV show.

    Art and Animation (5/5)

    While I am emphasizing on the writing, it is by no means the only feature that makes this game what it is. I am yet to play a honey select game which has put in so much effort in its unique character designs. Nothing is a mere drag and drop template. Every character has been shown the care and attention it deserves. In execution too, the expression that every character has is scene appropriate, to the point it feels extremely real. The animations are smooth and never look out of place.

    Style and Presentation (4/5)

    The music in the game is very well chosen and fits the vibe of the game. The UI is also creatively designed and has good art. The whole Ren'py presentation is great. There are no mechanical issues or bugs that caused an issue to me. What they could do better is perhaps improve the Profile and Stats pages. Right now they seem a bit haphazard. The profiles only indicate the latest encounter with a character and not the entirety of your history with them. It's not useful when you open it to refresh your memory from the last update. Plus, the Profile tab is not exhaustive, quite a few minor characters are missing from it, who are nevertheless mentioned here and there.

    Sex Scenes (4.5/5)

    Pale Carnation however by no means ignores its sex scenes. Much like the story itself, the sex scenes too are really compelling. The porn logic is minimal– the authors through their excellent writing make even the most ridiculous and kinky scenes seem realistic and natural. The animation in sex scenes is fluid and pleasing. The VN covers a wide variety of fetishes and kinks. The emphasis of course is on a maledom side. However, it may not be exactly what you're looking for if you want a self-insert power fantasy of a game. The game will make you feel the weight of the fucked up things you do. But I guess that's somewhere the point with a game like this.

    Conclusion

    It may not be a great exaggeration to say Pale Carnations might be, and I do not use this term lightly, the best AVN created so far. Mutt & Jeff have definitely created a standard for the industry. In the future, I wish for creators to take a cue from them and create AVNs of similar quality.
  20. 5.00 star(s)

    gtpman

    It's been so long, sins the last update, I forgot it existed. It is still one of the best (easily top 5) games ever created. I cannot even consider rating it anything less than 5/5... Recommending it hands down!